Audio surfaces of Tucker Carlson’s profanity-laced confrontation with Dutch historian

February 21, 2019

The audio from a scrapped Fox News segment in which a provoked Tucker Carlson loses his cool and tells a guest to “go **** yourself” has surfaced and is now circulating the internet.

The unaired incident took place last week when the Fox host interviewed Dutch historian Rutger Bregman, author of Utopia for Realists. Bregman made a name for himself at the World Economic Forum at Davos by telling billionaires that they ought to stop avoiding taxes.

The two started off on the same page, with Bregman reiterating what he said at Davos:

No one’s saying it at Davos, just as no one’s saying it on Fox News, right? And I think the explanation for that is quite simple—is that most of the people in Davos, but also here on this channel, have been bought by the billionaire class. You know? You’re not meant to say these things, so I just sat there and thought, you know what, I’m just gonna say it, just as I’m saying it right here on this channel.

This first jab, Carlson ignored, as he would a few more. “Many people have called for higher taxes,” he said. “Well, not on this channel,” replied Bregman. “Almost all of the pundits on this channel, for years, have been against higher taxes, right? Even though the vast majority of Americans is in favor of it.”

Bergman goes after Fox and Carlson

Carlson started to hit back a little. “It would be interesting to know how many hours of Fox you’ve watched,” he said. But after taking a few shots at President Donald Trump, for his “corruption” and unwillingness to “show his own tax returns,” Bergman continued his assault on Fox News:

What the Murdochs basically want you to do is to scapegoat immigrants instead of talking about tax avoidance. So I’m glad you’re now finally raising the issue, but that’s what’s been happening for the past couple of years.

By now, Carlson was growing truly irritated. “I’m taking orders from the Murdochs, is that what you’re saying?” he asked.

“No, it doesn’t work that directly,” replied Bregman. “It works by you taking their dirty money. You are a millionaire funded by billionaires, that’s what you are. And I’m glad you now finally jumped the bandwagon of people like Bernie Sanders and AOC, but you’re not part of the solution, Mr. Carlson. You’re part of the problem, actually.”

Carlson’s patience gives way

At Bregman’s suggestion that “all the anchors on Fox, they’re all millionaires,” Carlson could hold back no longer. “Fox doesn’t even play where you are,” he shouted.

To which Bregman joked, while Carlson continued to yell, “Well, have you heard of the internet. I can watch things, whatever I want.” “You’re probably not going to air this,” said Bregman, continuing the attack, “But I went to Davos to speak truth to power and I’m doing exactly the same thing right now. You might not like it, but you’re a millionaire funded by billionaires. And that’s the reason you’re not talking about these issues.”

“But I am talking about these issues,” replied Carlson. “Yeah, only now,” said Bregman. “You jumped the bandwagon. You’re all like, oh, I’m against the globalist elite, blah, blah, blah. It’s not very convincing, to be honest.”

With his patience spent, Carlson let it rip: “I want to say to you, why don’t you go **** yourself, you tiny brain. And I hope this gets picked up because you’re a moron. I tried to give you a hearing, but you were too ******* annoying.”

Carlson defends statements

On Wednesday, Carlson publicly addressed the leaked footage, explaining that his “vulgar” language was what prevented it from airing. “Things went fine for the first few minutes and then Bregman launched into an attack on Fox News,” he said on a video posted to Twitter. “It’s not clear that Bregman has ever seen Fox, but he wanted to make his point. Fine.”

“But then he claimed that my corporate masters tell me what to say on the show and that was too much,” Carlson continued. “Whatever my faults of those of this channel, nobody in management has ever told us what positions to take on the air. So I did what I try hard never to do on this show and I was rude.”

Bregman responded with a series of tweets of his own, one containing a screenshot of an email that allegedly was written by Carlson: “I loved what you said at Davos, so I had high hopes for our interview. But you turned out to be far dumber, more dogmatic and less impressive than I expected.”

Both men stand behind their comments.


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Robert Ayers

Robert Ayers is a staff writer for Conservative Institute. He has a bachelor’s degree from Quinnipiac University and a J.D. from the University of Connecticut.